tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2345202358783241386.post4014387878150439067..comments2023-08-15T09:20:12.403-07:00Comments on Pesach Sheini: Children of HaShem- Seeing every Jew as familyPesach Sommerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05429802587338023317noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2345202358783241386.post-51103777962553499062014-08-31T11:01:59.820-07:002014-08-31T11:01:59.820-07:00See R' Herschel Schachter's recent TorahWe...See R' Herschel Schachter's recent TorahWeb peshetl: <a href="http://www.torahweb.org/torah/2014/parsha/rsch_reeh.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>micha bergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11612144735431285113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2345202358783241386.post-14206629937234422552014-08-25T20:56:22.982-07:002014-08-25T20:56:22.982-07:00No. I'm with you in saying banim has a certain...No. I'm with you in saying banim has a certain connotation.Pesach Sommerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05429802587338023317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2345202358783241386.post-57469590131120976702014-08-24T16:41:48.295-07:002014-08-24T16:41:48.295-07:00What does that mean? I posted support for two conf...What does that mean? I posted support for two conflicting ideas! Are you saying you're equally confused?micha bergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11612144735431285113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2345202358783241386.post-91393496156164270502014-08-24T12:38:07.961-07:002014-08-24T12:38:07.961-07:00I'm with you Micha.I'm with you Micha.Pesach Sommerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05429802587338023317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2345202358783241386.post-55397358664194209832014-08-24T05:21:28.098-07:002014-08-24T05:21:28.098-07:00None of the exegetical arguments are of any intere...None of the exegetical arguments are of any interest to me. Thanks for responding, however.tesyaahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08411240806288272179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2345202358783241386.post-36643035089839292822014-08-24T04:22:42.127-07:002014-08-24T04:22:42.127-07:00And that means the beginning of the pasuq is makin...And that means the beginning of the pasuq is making a fundamentally different argument than the next pasuq. "Banim atam Lashem E-lokeikhem -- you are human beings, children of Hashem Your G-d, therefore...." as opposed to the reason given in pasuq 2:<br />כִּי עַם קָדוֹשׁ אַתָּה לַה אֱלֹקיךָ וּבְךָ בָּחַר ה לִהְיוֹת לוֹ לְעַם סְגֻלָּה מִכֹּל הָעַמִּים אֲשֶׁר עַל פְּנֵי הָאֲדָמָה.<br /><br />The opening introduces a universal motivation, and the "ki" introduces a particularist one.<br /><br />The problem to your particular question is that it is very hard to tie arguments about the unity of the Torah to "because you are people, children of G-d". The Torah's possession is an exclusively Jewish thing.<br /><br />Perhaps this is why there is Avos 4:13, which appears to contradict this train of thought by using our pasuq to say that while people are "betzelem", Jews are "banim":<br /><br />הוא היה אומר, חביב אדם שנברא בצלם.<br />חבה יתרה נודעת לו שנברא בצלם, שנאמר ...<br />חביבין ישראל שנקראו בנים למקום.<br />חבה יתרה נודעת להם שנקראו בנים למקום, שנאמר (דברים יד), בנים אתם לה' אלהיכם.<br />חביבין ישראל, שנתן להם כלי חמדה.<br />חבה יתרה נודעת להם שנתן להם כלי חמדה שבו נברא העולם....micha bergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11612144735431285113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2345202358783241386.post-5646222006324963582014-08-22T12:34:35.224-07:002014-08-22T12:34:35.224-07:00One could certainly justify that by seeing that Bn...One could certainly justify that by seeing that Bnei Yisrael are called HaShem's bechor.<br />Pesach Sommerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05429802587338023317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2345202358783241386.post-23530985374722621222014-08-22T12:06:22.521-07:002014-08-22T12:06:22.521-07:00I believe all human beings are children of Hashem....I believe all human beings are children of Hashem. Not a very Passaicdik belief.tesyaahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08411240806288272179noreply@blogger.com