tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2345202358783241386.post2730441965192029000..comments2023-08-15T09:20:12.403-07:00Comments on Pesach Sheini: Welcome?- An open letter to the Modern Orthodox communityPesach Sommerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05429802587338023317noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2345202358783241386.post-14320906959803065672015-06-22T07:38:29.923-07:002015-06-22T07:38:29.923-07:00The financial issue is signifigant. I might write ...The financial issue is signifigant. I might write about it in the future.Pesach Sommerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05429802587338023317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2345202358783241386.post-34947356596339177132015-06-17T14:09:25.224-07:002015-06-17T14:09:25.224-07:00Chareidim join an MO community? How serious can th...Chareidim join an MO community? How serious can that be if the Chareidim cannot afford to be part of the MO community. It takes a seriously large income to join an MO community.<br /><br />Schooling alone is a fortune. Especially if the Chareidi MO-wannabes have many children, whereas MO families typically are more limited in their number of offspring.<br /><br />And the Chareidim typically have a notably lower income than MO families.If it is one of the few Chareidim who can afford being MO there is what to talk about. But that is, by far, the exception and not the rule.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06705714122751034120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2345202358783241386.post-58375257840890951312015-06-17T12:48:08.916-07:002015-06-17T12:48:08.916-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Mindy Schaperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10561579952913345322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2345202358783241386.post-47968094988163992822015-06-17T12:48:03.826-07:002015-06-17T12:48:03.826-07:00Micha, I agree with your second comment (didn'...Micha, I agree with your second comment (didn't understand the first). Communities need low walls and acceptance of the other as legitimate, and allow travel between communities.Mindy Schaperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10561579952913345322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2345202358783241386.post-4684174141860667612015-06-17T12:20:29.500-07:002015-06-17T12:20:29.500-07:00That came out overly pragmatic... You can't re...That came out overly pragmatic... You can't really pick which hashkafah you find moving, or which eclectic blend works for you.<br /><br />What a community would really need to be successful is low walls. Allowing people who find their passion in different ways of looking at Judaism to live in one community without declaring an us-vs-them.<br /><br />And if we had taken that route, you wouldn't have needed a Project Makom to begin with. The whole problem comes from teaching there is One True Way, and therefore the person leaving sees no greater affinity to other ways of being a Shomer Shabbos than abandoning halachic Judaism altogether.<br /><br />And yes, MO suffers from this problem as well, with a passive-aggressive spin. Talking about eilu va'eilu when it comes time to demand validation from the right, but meanwhile investing far more effort cataloging chareidi issues then their own.<br /><br />(PS: Thanks for forwarding my comment to FB. I can't get there from here for a while.)micha bergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11612144735431285113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2345202358783241386.post-65582978719684103332015-06-17T09:54:39.367-07:002015-06-17T09:54:39.367-07:00The problem isn't halachic rigidness or MO lax...The problem isn't halachic rigidness or MO laxity. (Although we do have a significant O-lite contingent.) The problem is spirituality -- meaning what you do. אחד המרבה ואחד הממעיט ובלבד שיכוין לבו לשמים<br /><br />Chassidus offers one path for developing such passion.<br /><br />If the problem is translating observance into a being a person who is ehrlach and being welcoming, mussar is the more direct path. But has the downside of presuming someone is willing to work and work before seeing visible results.micha bergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11612144735431285113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2345202358783241386.post-46991954504895498832015-06-17T09:45:37.585-07:002015-06-17T09:45:37.585-07:00Even in the latter case, I've heard some horro...Even in the latter case, I've heard some horror stories. One of them helped lead to the founding of Project Makom.Pesach Sommerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05429802587338023317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2345202358783241386.post-90627769074605841402015-06-17T09:44:42.172-07:002015-06-17T09:44:42.172-07:00David, I think that Israel is very different in th...David, I think that Israel is very different in this regard. Yet another reason to wish I was living there.Pesach Sommerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05429802587338023317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2345202358783241386.post-46439124977519713112015-06-17T09:44:05.636-07:002015-06-17T09:44:05.636-07:00That might be part of it, but I think there's ...That might be part of it, but I think there's more.Pesach Sommerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05429802587338023317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2345202358783241386.post-63315263314705759892015-06-17T09:29:24.410-07:002015-06-17T09:29:24.410-07:00I think tesyaa is right. And there is therefore a ...I think tesyaa is right. And there is therefore a difference between someone "stopping in" to catch a minyan, where low self-esteem can lead to not welcoming Chareidim, and welcoming them into the community, as if they chose to join the community, they must not be rejecting it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2345202358783241386.post-49523407361421288702015-06-17T09:19:46.459-07:002015-06-17T09:19:46.459-07:00Pesach, hi. In my predominantly modern orthodox ne...Pesach, hi. In my predominantly modern orthodox neighborhood in Bet Shemesh, a chassidic family moved in 18 years ago and have fully integrated in our community. The family fully participates in communal social activities and davens in our Religious Zionist shul while retaining their chassidic customs and dress. Feel free to contact me for further information if you'd like to delve into this "case study".<br /><br />Kol tuv,<br />--David Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05430253291799061752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2345202358783241386.post-924132610998326662015-06-17T09:13:02.128-07:002015-06-17T09:13:02.128-07:00The MOs are afraid of being judged by the former c...The MOs are afraid of being judged by the former chassidim for being too lax... doesn't make sense but it's a real thing.tesyaahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08411240806288272179noreply@blogger.com